ARMY OFFICERS DEBATE GENERAL MUSHARRAFS RETURN TO PAKISTAN

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From: Mian Mahmud <brigmahmud83@gmail.com>
Date: 2012/1/5
Subject: Fwd: HERO'S RETURN?
To: Sher Khan <sher_khanhunza@hotmail.com>, Sher Khan <sher@tethyan.com>, s <saddozai111@hotmail.com>, Tarik Saadat <saadat_44@yahoo.com>, Saeed Malik <pindori47@gmail.com>, shahid malik <gallian48@hotmail.com>, Kamran Shafi <kshafi1@yahoo.co.uk>, Gen Ali Hamid <sa.hamid@kestral.com>, "Mr. Saleem Nawaz Gandapur" <sng786@gmail.com>, Mansoor Irfani <mansoorirfani@hotmail.com>, ishtiaq asif <ishtiaq7647@hotmail.com>, imran malik <im_k@hotmail.com>, Ikram Sehgal <ikramsehgal@yahoo.com>, "Ikram ul Hassan (Brig R )" <ikram.hasan@gmail.com>, nasir khan <nick.khan@hotmail.com>, Asad Khan <asadakhan@yahoo.com>, Khalid Aziz <azizkhalid@gmail.com>, kaleem saadat <kaleemsaadat@hotmail.com>, Masood Sharif Khan <masoodsharifkhan@hotmail.com>, arjumand malik <laguna7868@yahoo.com>, "Lt Gen Saleem Haider" <saleemhyder@hotmail.com>, Lt Gen Salahuddin Tirmizi <tirmizi1@yahoo.com>, Brig Latif <briglatif@yahoo.co.uk>, "Brig. Lodi" <rhlodi@yahoo.com>, Lt Gen Muhammad Asghar <rector@nust.edu.pk>, Tariq Akbar <majtakbar@hotmail.com>, Maj Gen Athar <abbasathar@hotmail.com>, "Saleem. A. Malik [Sr]" <rummis3a@hotmail.com>, Brig Simon Sharaf <nicco1988@hotmail.com>, asmat niazi niazi <asmatniazi1@hotmail.com>, Aichi <oasispine@gmail.com>, Tariq Osman Hyder <ambassador.tariqosmanhyder@gmail.com>, Owaise Saadat <owaisesaadat@yahoo.com>, former ambassador association <pakafa@gmail.com>, "A.H Amin" <pavocavalry@gmail.com>, asad rehman- <assadrehman@gmail.com>, Zia Rehman <ziarano@hotmail.com>, rao hamid <raoabid95@hotmail.com>, "Mr. Qaisir Gandapur" <qng786@hotmail.com>, Shaukat Qadir <shaukatq@gmail.com>, AZAM QADRI <azamq@hotmail.com>, Qasim Rabbani <qasim@rabbani.biz>, "General A. Qayyum" <general.qayyum@gmail.com>, Ayaz Amir <winlust@yahoo.com>, Waqar Azim <waqars01@hotmail.com>, ADM Saeed M Khan <waves1@nayatel.pk>, yasub dogar <ydogar@gmail.com>, riqbal_ch49@yahoo.com, Yousaf Niazi <myniazi20@hotmail.com>, zahid zaman <zahid_pasb@yahoo.com>, Dr Zafar Altaf <dr_zaltaf@yahoo.com>, "Mr.Akram Zaki" <akram_zaki@hotmail.com>, faheem ataulla <faheem2@rogers.com>,torghundi@gmail.com, Abdul Haque <ahaque@gmail.com>, Hameed Afzal Khan <hameed_khan44@yahoo.com>, Tariq Baig <tariqbaig43@gmail.com>, fasih bokhari <fasbok@gmail.com>, brigmahmud@hotmail.com, Babar Masood <b_masood@hotmail.com>, Air Cdre Aziz <roxyaziz@yahoo.com>, Cdr Munir Varraich <mvarraich7@gmail.com>, Cdre M Siddiq <msiddiq55@gmail.com>, Brig Muhammad Taj <dovedevil@hotmail.com>, Cdre Tariq Majeed <dilbedar@yahoo.com>, Ehsan Mani <emani@compuserve.com>, endrabi@yahoo.com, Asif Ezdi <asifezdi@yahoo.com>, Tariq Enterprises <tariqenterprises@hotmail.com>, farhat hassan <farhathassan1@hotmail.com>, "Brig. FB Ali" <fbali2@gmail.com>, "Brig. Agha Gul" <agha_gul@hotmail.com>, "Mian Gul Aurangzeb" <miangulaurangzeb@hotmail.com>, asif haroon <asifharoon7751@yahoo.com>, "Brig (r) Javed Ashraf" <javedashraf49@hotmail.com>, "Brig(r) Asad Munir" <asadmunir38@yahoo.com>, Vice Adm Ahmad Tasnim <ahmad.tasnim@yahoo.com>, Vice Admiral Farooq Rashid <rector@bahria.edu.pk>, Vice Admiral Haroon <admharoon@gmail.com>, Gen Asad Durrani <asad.durrani@gmail.com>, General amjad <sampak40@hotmail.com>, "M.Gen Sikander Hayat" <sikanderkk@hotmail.com>, Maj Gen Farooq <fakhan@gmail.com>, Liaquat Shah <liaquat.11@gmail.com>, jamshed ali <jamshed.ali321@gmail.com>, Javaid Dara <javaiddara@hotmail.com>, Col Riaz Jafri <jafri@rifiela.com>, RAJA MUJTABA <raja.mujtaba@gmail.com>, Aleem Mirza <aleem-m@aero.com.pk>, Ijaz Minhas <minhas_ijaz@yahoo.com>, Shahid Niaz <sniaz99@hotmail.com>, "Siraj ul Mulk" <sirajulmulk@gmail.com>, Sohail Qizilbash <srq7670@hotmail.com>, Raja Raza Arshad <rrarshad@gmail.com>, mobin hussain <mobinhusain27@hotmail.com>, ziarano@yahoo.com, javed khan <javed_242002@yahoo.com>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mian Mahmud <brigmahmud83@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: HERO'S RETURN?
To: KHAN ZIA <hsnzia@rogers.com>
Cc: InamKhan <hkinam@gmail.com>, "agha_gul@hotmail.com"
<agha_gul@hotmail.com>, Qasim <dashmana@gmail.com>, YasmeenAli
<yasmeenali62@gmail.com>


Dear Zia,

Thanks for sending the information about the reception being planned
for this megalomaniac Military Dictator.. My brief comments I place
below. I hope they can reach him and his teams of sycophants.

He surely can have heroes return. But he and his cronies will meet
their doomsday. The damage done by him and his team of loyalist
Generals, who are in galore, would face peoples wrath. Their
ignominious conduct and behaviour far out weigh any glories that they
earned for their Army and the Country. The liar that he is and the
moral turpitude shown by him, does not give him the courage to have
any open debate with his erstwhile colleagues in arm. We can invite
him and his hand picked team to an open debate on TV or any other
forum. The comfort and security of Marriott is hardly the place.

This Army has suffered ignoble characters of his type long enough.
Now, it is enough is enough.

With Best Regards
Mahmud




On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:08 PM, KHAN ZIA < hsnzia@rogers.com> wrote:
> The timing may have some significance ---- if he does turn up.
>
> From: chungoo <majorshahidrehman@gmail.com>
> To: Sher Khan <sher_khanhunza@hotmail.com>; Sher Khan <sher@tethyan.com>; s
> <saddozai111@hotmail.com>; Tarik Saadat <saadat_44@yahoo.com>; Saeed Malik
> <pindori47@gmail.com>; shahid malik <gallian48@hotmail.com>; Kamran Shafi
> <kshafi1@yahoo.co.uk>; Gen Ali Hamid <sa.hamid@kestral.com>; Mr. Saleem
> Nawaz Gandapur <sng786@gmail.com>; Mansoor Irfani
> <mansoorirfani@hotmail.com>; ishtiaq asif <ishtiaq7647@hotmail.com>; imran
> malik <im_k@hotmail.com>; Ikram Sehgal <ikramsehgal@yahoo.com>; Ikram ul
> Hassan (Brig R ) <ikram.hasan@gmail.com>; nasir khan
> <nick.khan@hotmail.com>; Asad Khan <asadakhan@yahoo.com>; Khalid Aziz
> <azizkhalid@gmail.com>; kaleem saadat <kaleemsaadat@hotmail.com>; Masood
> Sharif Khan <masoodsharifkhan@hotmail.com>; arjumand malik
> <laguna7868@yahoo.com>; "Lt Gen Saleem Haider" <saleemhyder@hotmail.com>; Lt
> Gen Salahuddin Tirmizi <tirmizi1@yahoo.com>; Brig Latif
> <briglatif@yahoo.co.uk>; Brig. Lodi <rhlodi@yahoo.com>; Lt Gen Muhammad
> Asghar <rector@nust.edu.pk>; Tariq Akbar <majtakbar@hotmail.com>; Maj Gen
> Athar <abbasathar@hotmail.com>; Saleem. A. Malik [Sr]
> <rummis3a@hotmail.com>; Brig Simon Sharaf <nicco1988@hotmail.com>; asmat
> niazi niazi <asmatniazi1@hotmail.com>; Aichi <oasispine@gmail.com>; Tariq
> Osman Hyder <ambassador.tariqosmanhyder@gmail.com>; Owaise Saadat
> <owaisesaadat@yahoo.com>; former ambassador association <pakafa@gmail.com>;
> A.H Amin <pavocavalry@gmail.com>; asad rehman- <assadrehman@gmail.com>; Zia
> Rehman <ziarano@hotmail.com>; rao hamid <raoabid95@hotmail.com>; Mr. Qaisir
> Gandapur <qng786@hotmail.com>; Shaukat Qadir <shaukatq@gmail.com>; AZAM
> QADRI <azamq@hotmail.com>; Qasim Rabbani <qasim@rabbani.biz>; General A.
> Qayyum <general.qayyum@gmail.com>; Ayaz Amir <winlust@yahoo.com>; Waqar Azim
> <waqars01@hotmail.com>; ADM Saeed M Khan <waves1@nayatel.pk>; yasub dogar
> <ydogar@gmail.com>; riqbal_ch49@yahoo.com; Yousaf Niazi
> <myniazi20@hotmail.com>; zahid zaman <zahid_pasb@yahoo.com>; Dr Zafar Altaf
> <dr_zaltaf@yahoo.com>; Mr.Akram Zaki <akram_zaki@hotmail.com>; faheem
> ataulla <faheem2@rogers.com>; Abdul Haque <ahaque@gmail.com>; Hameed Afzal
> Khan <hameed_khan44@yahoo.com>; Tariq Baig <tariqbaig43@gmail.com>; fasih
> bokhari <fasbok@gmail.com>; brigmahmud@hotmail.com; Babar Masood
> <b_masood@hotmail.com>; Air Cdre Aziz <roxyaziz@yahoo.com>; Cdr Munir
> Varraich <mvarraich7@gmail.com>; Cdre M Siddiq <msiddiq55@gmail.com>; Brig
> Muhammad Taj <dovedevil@hotmail.com>; Cdre Tariq Majeed
> <dilbedar@yahoo.com>; Ehsan Mani <emani@compuserve.com>; endrabi@yahoo.com;
> Asif Ezdi <asifezdi@yahoo.com>; Tariq Enterprises
> <tariqenterprises@hotmail.com>; farhat hassan <farhathassan1@hotmail.com>;
> Brig. FB Ali <fbali2@gmail.com>; Brig. Agha Gul <agha_gul@hotmail.com>;
> "Mian Gul Aurangzeb" <miangulaurangzeb@hotmail.com>; asif haroon
> <asifharoon7751@yahoo.com>; Brig (r) Javed Ashraf
> <javedashraf49@hotmail.com>; Brig(r) Asad Munir <asadmunir38@yahoo.com>;
> Vice Adm Ahmad Tasnim <ahmad.tasnim@yahoo.com>; Vice Admiral Farooq Rashid
> <rector@bahria.edu.pk>; Vice Admiral Haroon <admharoon@gmail.com>; Gen Asad
> Durrani <asad.durrani@gmail.com>; General amjad <sampak40@hotmail.com>;
> M.Gen Sikander Hayat <sikanderkk@hotmail.com>; Maj Gen Farooq
> <fakhan@gmail.com>; Liaquat Shah <liaquat.11@gmail.com>; jamshed ali
> <jamshed.ali321@gmail.com>; Javaid Dara <javaiddara@hotmail.com>; Col Riaz
> Jafri <jafri@rifiela.com>; RAJA MUJTABA <raja.mujtaba@gmail.com>; Aleem
> Mirza <aleem-m@aero.com.pk>; Ijaz Minhas <minhas_ijaz@yahoo.com>; Shahid
> Niaz <sniaz99@hotmail.com>; "Siraj ul Mulk" <sirajulmulk@gmail.com>; Sohail
> Qizilbash <srq7670@hotmail.com>; Raja Raza Arshad <rrarshad@gmail.com>;
> mobin hussain <mobinhusain27@hotmail.com>; ziarano@yahoo.com
> Cc: javed khan <javed_242002@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 10:56:40 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Fw: Pakistan First- Forum Event at Marriott
> Hotel,Islamabad,for Retired Servicemen - Saturday,07 January 2012.
>
>
> Dear All,
> A meeting of the forum to support Gen Musharraf is being held at the
> Marriott Hotel,Islamabad, at 1430hrs on Saturday,07 January,2012.
> This is mainly for retired officers and supporters of Gen Musharraf.
> Details of the event are given below.
> Those gentlemen who are interested to attend may please inform Lt Gen (Retd)
> Javed Alam by email ; javed_242002@yahoo.com.Thanks.
> Regards,
> Shahid Rehman,
> Islamabad.
> 03365597816.
> --
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM, javed khan <javed_242002@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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> To: Brig Junaid Anis Khan <junaid24c@yahoo.com>; Lt Gen Hamid Khan
> <hamid124@hotmail.com>; Maj Tariq hassan <hassan_one@yahoo.com>; Lt Col
> Tanveer khan <tanveerkhan24@yahoo.co.uk>; Col Anil Madan
> <anilno12643@yahoo.co.uk>; Brig Hassan Shah <hassanshah2k4@yahoo.com>; Lt
> Gen Shahid Hamid <sh_44lc@yahoo.com>; Lt Gen Sajjad Akram
> <sajjad54@gmail.com>; Lt Gen SM Amjad <sm.amjad@gmail.com>; Maj Javed Zamir
> Ahmed <jzahmad50@yahoo.com>; Maj Gen Haroon Sikandar Pasha
> <hapysoul@gmail.com>; Col Shafqat Riaz <colshafqat_riaz@yahoo.com>; Maj
> Ishtiaq Asif <ishtiaq7647@hotmail.com>; Maj Gen Zafar Abbas
> <genzafar@gmail.com>; Brig Zubair <zubair@fccl.com.pk>; Maj Gen Asif Akhtar
> <dagallant1@gmail.com>; Brig Hashim Khan <mihash.19@gmail.com>; Maj Amjad
> noukhez <araja24@yahoo.com>; moin rauf <moin.rauf@gmail.com>; Maj Gen Malik
> Iftikhar Khan <iftikhar6@gmail.com>; Maj Gen Tanvirullah <tuk44@live.com>;
> Maj Gen Rashid Qureshi <rqureshi68@gmail.com>; Lt Col Shahid Akhtar
> <shahidakhtar927@hotmail.com>; Brig Akhtar Zamin <akhtarzamin@hotmail.com>;
> Maj Gen Tallat Munir <tmunir48@gmail.com>; Lt Gen Khalid Maqbool
> <khalid.maqbool@hotmail.com>; Lt Gen Hamid Javed <hamidjvd@gmail.com>; Lt
> Gen Munir Hafiez <munir1949@gmail.com>; Lt Gen Masood Perwaiz
> <masood_perwaiz@hotmail.com>; Lt Gen Anis Abbasi <anis907@hotmail.com>; Lt
> Gen Salahuddin Satti <gen.satti@gmail.com>; Lt Gen Syed Absar Hussain
> <s.absar.hussain1@gmail.com>; Lt Gen Zarrar Azim <zanaash@gmail.com>; Air
> Marshal Shahid Hamid <shahid_hamid@yahoo.com>; Air Marshal Rashid Kaleem
> <rasta786@gmail.com>; Lt Gen Javed Alam Khan <javed_242002@yahoo.com>; Maj
> Gen Javed Aslam Tahir <jatahir@hotmail.com>; Maj Gen Tahir Ali
> <tahir1610@gmail.com>; Maj Gen Haider Jawed <s.haiderjawed@gmail.com>; Maj
> Gen Farrukh Javed <farrukhjaved1@hotmail.com>; Maj Gen Muhammad Mansha
> <muhammadmansha22@hotmail.com>; Maj Gen Ghazanfar Ali Khan
> <gakhan44@gmail.com>; Maj Gen Zahid Ihsan <zihsan_93@hotmail.com>; AVM
> Faisal Tariq <faisal6360@gmail.com>; Maj Gen Ali Hamid
> <sahamid49@hotmail.com>; AVM Ateeb Siddiqi <ateebsiddiqui@gmail.com>; Brig
> Ilyas <mikhan471@hotmail.com>; Brig Haris Nawaz <harisnawaz01@hotmail.com>;
> Brig Chaudry Pervez Akhtar <pervezakhtar44@gmail.com>; Brig Muhammad Khalid
> <mkhalid@hotmail.com>; Brig Mukarram Khan <mak@makgc.com>; Brig Opel
> <iftiopel@gmail.com>; Brig Haque <ayehaque@gmail.com>; Brig Muhammad Sarwar
> <msarwar25c56lc@gmail.com>; Brig Mansur Hamid <mansoorhraja@gmail.com>; Brig
> Naveed Rehman <nrahman54@hotmail.com>; Brig Tariq Hamid Khan
> <thk1058b@hotmail.com>; Brig Waqar Ahmed <waqar810@hotmail.com>; Col Mashhud
> A. Pasha <colpasha@yahoo.com>; Gp Capt Rashid <rashid6sqn@hotmail.com>; Col
> Javed Riaz Ahmed Khan <jra_khan89@yahoo.com>; Col Syed Mahmud Rashid
> <mahmud.rashid44@gmail.com>; Col Jalil Qureshi <jqureshi954@yahoo.com>; V
> Adm Shamoon Alam Khan <shamoonak@gmail.com>; Lt Gen Rehan Burney
> <m.rehan.burney@gmail.com>; Brig Shabbir Ahmed <shabbir.ahmed@csg-pk.com>;
> Lt Col Sher Ali Baz <sheralibaz@hotmail.com>; Brig Hassan Shah
> <hassanshah2k4@yahoo.com>; Brig Ghulam Mehdi AMC <mehdighulam1@gmail.com>;
> Brig Basharat Rehman <basharat13@yahoo.com>; MajGen Raza <raza@eyeotel.com>;
> Brig Tariq Ali Khan <khanalitariq@yahoo.com>; Brig Masood 13L
> <probyns5@gmail.com>; Brig Edroos <guidescorp@fiber.net.pk>; Brig Mohtarem
> <kmohtarem@hotmail.com>; ColAnwar <anwarkhan911@yahoo.com>; Lt Col Kausar
> Zaidi <kauser.zaidi@hbl.com>; Lt Col Shahid Ahmed 6 L
> <ltcolsak@hotmail.com>; Lt Col Ehtisham <knh.ffnsp@gmail.com>; Lt Col
> Sarfraz Ord <askariad@yahoo.com>; Maj Zafar Alam Zaidi <zaz6856@gmail.com>;
> Maj Farid Faiz Ch <faridfaiz52@yahoo.com>; Maj Naseer Arty
> <guidescorp@fiber.netpk>; Maj Khaled Mashedy
> <khalid.syed@plsecurity.com.pk>; Adm Shahid Karimullah SJ
> <skullah1126@gmail.com>; V AdmS T Naqvi <naqvitauquir@gmail.com>; Cdre
> Tayyab Naqvi <tayyab.naqvi@gmail.com>; Cdr Naveed Usmani
> <usmanins@hotmail.com>; Hamid Qazi <zuq728@yahoo.com>; R Adm Sarfraz Khan
> <sarfarazkhan3@hotmail.com>; Brig Talat Saeed <talaatsaeedkhan@yahoo.com>;
> Lt Col Qazi <zuq728@aol.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 19:25
> Subject: Pakistan First
>
>                                                             PAKISTAN FIRST
>
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> On 29 Dec I went to Dubai and met Gen(R) Musharraf . We had two sessions of
> about two hours each which were very candid and forthright. Each time I told
> him extremely bluntly that neither the security environment nor the
> political environment favoured his return to Pakistan at this time. I also
> told him that this message was not only from me but from this entire group.
> We discussed the possibilities of arrest on arrival ( or later ), security
> threats and the apparent lack of popular support. Inspite of all arguments
> he made it very clear that he is cognisant of all the dangers and likely
> humiliation that he may have to undergo he is determined to return and will
> do so Insha Allah in January. He is still pondering the place of return and
> date which is related to where maximum support can be mustered.
>
> Having been unable to convince Gen (R) Musharraf not to return we now have
> no option but to do "our bit". What is planned is the following:
>
>        a. On 7 January this forum will collect at the Marriot Hotel
> Islamabad for an event which will be in the form of a Reception (NOT a Press
> Conference). The timing is 1430 hrs for 1500 hrs. The format of the event
> will be as follows:-
>
>    (1) Welcome by Master of Ceremony -  5-10 mins
>    (2) Address by General (R) Musharraf (pre-recorded)-  15 mins
>    (3) Issue of Press Statement -  5 mins
>    (4) Tea for participants and Press -  30-45 mins
>
>        b. All participants are encouraged to attend as the success of the
> event is directly related to attendance.
>        c. The Press Statement is being fine tuned and will be circulated
> shortly. The Press Statement will be headed by the Pakistan flag and a
> photograph of General Musharraf in                  civvies. This will be
> followed by the one paragraph Press Statement. At the end names of all
> retired officers who have agreed to be part of this forum will be listed
> with ranks            according to seniority.
>        d. All attending should inform the undersigned ASAP.
>        e. If some officers require assistance with airline tickets limited
> help can be provided.
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> Lt Gen (R) Javed Alam Khan
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